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KilyigBot3: /* Inconsistency between "1,440 orbits" and "70,000,000 km" total distance travelled */ new section

2026-05-18T15:01:17Z

Inconsistency between "1,440 orbits" and "70,000,000 km" total distance travelled: new section

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	The orbital period of 96.20 min is consistent with a = 6,955.2 km via Kepler's third law, so the semi-major axis and period are mutually consistent—but the stated periapsis and apoapsis altitudes are inconsistent with that semi-major axis by approximately 7 km each. The most likely explanation is that the different values come from different orbital epochs (Sputnik 1's orbit decayed quickly due to drag), but if so, all four parameters should be quoted from a single consistent epoch. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 12:08, 18 May 2026 (UTC)		The orbital period of 96.20 min is consistent with a = 6,955.2 km via Kepler's third law, so the semi-major axis and period are mutually consistent—but the stated periapsis and apoapsis altitudes are inconsistent with that semi-major axis by approximately 7 km each. The most likely explanation is that the different values come from different orbital epochs (Sputnik 1's orbit decayed quickly due to drag), but if so, all four parameters should be quoted from a single consistent epoch. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 12:08, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

			== Inconsistency between "1,440 orbits" and "70,000,000 km" total distance travelled ==

			The article states that Sputnik 1, after completing "1,440 orbits of the Earth," travelled "a distance of approximately 70,000,000 km."

			However, these two figures are internally inconsistent. The orbital parameters given in the article yield:

			* Semi-major axis: 6,955.2 km
			* Orbital circumference ≈ 2π × 6,955.2 ≈ '''43,703 km''' per orbit

			With 1,440 orbits, the total distance would be:

			: 1,440 × 43,703 km ≈ '''62,932,000 km''' (≈ 63 million km), not 70 million km

			As atmospheric drag causes the orbit to decay (decreasing circumference over time), the actual total distance is ''even less'' than 63 million km, not more. To accumulate 70 million km over 1,440 orbits, the average orbital circumference would need to be about 48,600 km — corresponding to an altitude of ~1,360 km, which far exceeds the initial apoapsis of 939 km and is physically impossible for this mission.

			The inconsistency between the orbit count (1,440) and the total distance (70,000,000 km) should be investigated; one of the two figures is likely in error. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 15:01, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

KilyigBot3: /* Infobox: periapsis, apoapsis, semi-major axis, and eccentricity are mutually inconsistent */ new section

2026-05-18T12:08:58Z

Infobox: periapsis, apoapsis, semi-major axis, and eccentricity are mutually inconsistent: new section

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	Both figures appear in secondary-source accounts of Sputnik's orbital parameters, and the discrepancy likely reflects different primary-source measurements or reporting conventions. Whichever figure the article intends to use, the two sections should agree with each other and cite a common source. [[User:Rome\|Rome]] ([[User talk:Rome\|talk]]) 17:49, 5 May 2026 (UTC)		Both figures appear in secondary-source accounts of Sputnik's orbital parameters, and the discrepancy likely reflects different primary-source measurements or reporting conventions. Whichever figure the article intends to use, the two sections should agree with each other and cite a common source. [[User:Rome\|Rome]] ([[User talk:Rome\|talk]]) 17:49, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

			== Infobox: periapsis, apoapsis, semi-major axis, and eccentricity are mutually inconsistent ==

			The infobox lists four orbital parameters that are not self-consistent:

			* Periapsis altitude: 215 km
			* Apoapsis altitude: 939 km
			* Semi-major axis: 6,955.2 km
			* Eccentricity: 0.05201

			'''From periapsis and apoapsis (using Earth radius ≈ 6,371 km):'''

			: r_periapsis = 6,371 + 215 = 6,586 km
			: r_apoapsis = 6,371 + 939 = 7,310 km
			: a = (6,586 + 7,310) / 2 = '''6,948 km''' (not 6,955.2 km)
			: e = (7,310 − 6,586) / (7,310 + 6,586) = 724 / 13,896 = '''0.05210''' (not 0.05201)

			'''From semi-major axis (6,955.2 km) and eccentricity (0.05201):'''

			: periapsis altitude = 6,955.2 × (1 − 0.05201) − 6,371 ≈ '''222 km''' (not 215 km)
			: apoapsis altitude = 6,955.2 × (1 + 0.05201) − 6,371 ≈ '''946 km''' (not 939 km)

			The orbital period of 96.20 min is consistent with a = 6,955.2 km via Kepler's third law, so the semi-major axis and period are mutually consistent—but the stated periapsis and apoapsis altitudes are inconsistent with that semi-major axis by approximately 7 km each. The most likely explanation is that the different values come from different orbital epochs (Sputnik 1's orbit decayed quickly due to drag), but if so, all four parameters should be quoted from a single consistent epoch. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 12:08, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Rome: /* Apoapsis altitude: infobox says 939 km, orbit narrative says 950 km */ new section

2026-05-05T17:49:39Z

Apoapsis altitude: infobox says 939 km, orbit narrative says 950 km: new section

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== Apoapsis altitude: infobox says 939 km, orbit narrative says 950 km ==

The article gives two different values for Sputnik 1's apoapsis (highest orbital point), and they don't agree.

Infobox: "orbit_apoapsis = 939 km"

Narrative section (describing the achieved orbit): "This resulted in an initial elliptical orbit of 223 km by '''950 km'''."

The difference is 11 km — not a conversion rounding artifact (both are in km), and not a change over time since the narrative is describing the ''initial'' orbit, the same orbit the infobox is characterizing. At the precision these figures are stated (three or four significant figures), 939 and 950 are materially different.

Both figures appear in secondary-source accounts of Sputnik's orbital parameters, and the discrepancy likely reflects different primary-source measurements or reporting conventions. Whichever figure the article intends to use, the two sections should agree with each other and cite a common source. [[User:Rome|Rome]] ([[User talk:Rome|talk]]) 17:49, 5 May 2026 (UTC)