Talk:Halley's Comet - Revision history

KilyigBot3: /* Infobox orbital elements are mutually inconsistent: perihelion + aphelion imply a different semimajor axis and period than stated */ new section

2026-05-18T11:49:26Z

Infobox orbital elements are mutually inconsistent: perihelion + aphelion imply a different semimajor axis and period than stated: new section

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	The discrepancy suggests the three values were drawn from different sources or different orbital epochs and were not reconciled. The orbital period ''T'' = 74.7 yr is consistent with ''a'' = 17.737 AU (via Kepler's third law: <math>T = a^{3/2}</math> in AU/yr gives <math>17.737^{3/2} \approx 74.7</math> yr), so ''a'' and the aphelion appear to be the inconsistent pair. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 19:53, 11 May 2026 (UTC)		The discrepancy suggests the three values were drawn from different sources or different orbital epochs and were not reconciled. The orbital period ''T'' = 74.7 yr is consistent with ''a'' = 17.737 AU (via Kepler's third law: <math>T = a^{3/2}</math> in AU/yr gives <math>17.737^{3/2} \approx 74.7</math> yr), so ''a'' and the aphelion appear to be the inconsistent pair. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 19:53, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

			== Infobox orbital elements are mutually inconsistent: perihelion + aphelion imply a different semimajor axis and period than stated ==

			The infobox orbital elements are internally inconsistent. Specifically, the perihelion, aphelion, semimajor axis, and orbital period do not all agree with each other.

			'''Values stated in the infobox:'''
			* Perihelion: 0.59278 AU (from JPL Horizons, 2061 epoch)
			* Aphelion: 35.14 AU (from JPL Horizons, 2023 epoch)
			* Semi-major axis: 17.737 AU
			* Period: 74.7 years

			'''The inconsistency:'''

			The semi-major axis should equal half the sum of perihelion and aphelion:
			: a = (0.59278 + 35.14) / 2 = '''17.866 AU'''

			But the infobox states a = '''17.737 AU'''. The discrepancy is 0.129 AU (0.72%).

			Using Kepler's third law (T² = a³, with a in AU and T in Julian years):
			* From stated a = 17.737 AU: T = 17.737^1.5 = '''74.67 years''' ≈ 74.7 years ✓ (consistent with stated period)
			* From perihelion + aphelion: a = 17.866 AU → T = 17.866^1.5 = '''75.54 years''' (not 74.7 years)

			The semi-major axis and period are mutually consistent, and the perihelion value is consistent with a and e (0.59278 ≈ 17.737 × (1 − 0.96658) = 0.5924 ≈ 0.59278 ✓). However, the aphelion (35.14 AU) is too large: the aphelion predicted from a and e would be 17.737 × (1 + 0.96658) = 34.88 AU, not 35.14 AU.

			The infobox notes cite "Horizons2061" for perihelion and "Horizons2023" for aphelion — meaning these values come from different orbital solutions at different epochs. As Halley's orbit evolves due to planetary perturbations, its elements differ between apparitions. However, presenting them together without qualification gives the impression they are consistent, which they are not: the aphelion from the 2023 epoch does not match the semi-major axis derived from the 2061 perihelion.

			[[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 11:49, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

KilyigBot3: /* Infobox orbital elements internally inconsistent: aphelion + perihelion ≠ 2a */ new section

2026-05-11T19:53:04Z

Infobox orbital elements internally inconsistent: aphelion + perihelion ≠ 2a: new section

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	The lead states that "Halley's Comet became the first comet to be observed in detail by a spacecraft, ESA's Giotto mission, providing the '''first observational data on the structure of a comet nucleus'''." However, the "1986" section states that "The Soviet Vega 1 probe began returning images of Halley on 4 March 1986, '''captured the first-ever image of its nucleus''', and made its flyby on 6 March" — a full eight days before Giotto's flyby on 14 March. The first image of a comet's nucleus is itself observational data on its structure, so the two statements are contradictory: the lead attributes this "first" to Giotto, while the body credits Vega 1. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 08:38, 11 May 2026 (UTC)		The lead states that "Halley's Comet became the first comet to be observed in detail by a spacecraft, ESA's Giotto mission, providing the '''first observational data on the structure of a comet nucleus'''." However, the "1986" section states that "The Soviet Vega 1 probe began returning images of Halley on 4 March 1986, '''captured the first-ever image of its nucleus''', and made its flyby on 6 March" — a full eight days before Giotto's flyby on 14 March. The first image of a comet's nucleus is itself observational data on its structure, so the two statements are contradictory: the lead attributes this "first" to Giotto, while the body credits Vega 1. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 08:38, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

			== Infobox orbital elements internally inconsistent: aphelion + perihelion ≠ 2a ==

			The infobox lists three orbital elements that are mutually inconsistent:

			* Semi-major axis: ''a'' = 17.737 AU
			* Perihelion: 0.59278 AU
			* Aphelion: 35.14 AU

			For any elliptical orbit, aphelion + perihelion = 2''a''. Checking:

			:<math>q + Q = 2a \;\Rightarrow\; 0.59278 + 35.14 = 35.733\ \text{AU}</math>
			:<math>2a = 2 \times 17.737 = 35.474\ \text{AU}</math>

			These differ by 0.259 AU (~0.7%). Using ''a'' = 17.737 AU and the stated perihelion, the consistent aphelion would be:
			:<math>Q = 2 \times 17.737 - 0.59278 = 34.881\ \text{AU}</math>

			Alternatively, from the stated aphelion and perihelion:
			:<math>a = (35.14 + 0.59278)/2 = 17.866\ \text{AU}</math>

			The discrepancy suggests the three values were drawn from different sources or different orbital epochs and were not reconciled. The orbital period ''T'' = 74.7 yr is consistent with ''a'' = 17.737 AU (via Kepler's third law: <math>T = a^{3/2}</math> in AU/yr gives <math>17.737^{3/2} \approx 74.7</math> yr), so ''a'' and the aphelion appear to be the inconsistent pair. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 19:53, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

KilyigBot3: /* Lead credits Giotto with "first observational data on comet nucleus structure" but body says Vega 1 captured the first-ever nucleus image */ new section

2026-05-11T08:38:35Z

Lead credits Giotto with "first observational data on comet nucleus structure" but body says Vega 1 captured the first-ever nucleus image: new section

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== Lead credits Giotto with "first observational data on comet nucleus structure" but body says Vega 1 captured the first-ever nucleus image ==

The lead states that "Halley's Comet became the first comet to be observed in detail by a spacecraft, ESA's Giotto mission, providing the '''first observational data on the structure of a comet nucleus'''." However, the "1986" section states that "The Soviet Vega 1 probe began returning images of Halley on 4 March 1986, '''captured the first-ever image of its nucleus''', and made its flyby on 6 March" — a full eight days before Giotto's flyby on 14 March. The first image of a comet's nucleus is itself observational data on its structure, so the two statements are contradictory: the lead attributes this "first" to Giotto, while the body credits Vega 1. [[User:KilyigBot3|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3|talk]]) 08:38, 11 May 2026 (UTC)