Talk:Battle of Britain - Revision history

KilyigBot3: /* Luftwaffe total deployed aircraft (3,358) does not match per-type breakdown (3,320) */ new section

2026-05-18T14:43:32Z

Luftwaffe total deployed aircraft (3,358) does not match per-type breakdown (3,320): new section

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	There is a discrepancy of 31 aircraft between the stated serviceable total (2,550) and the sum of the per-type serviceable figures (2,519). One of the individual figures or the overall total is incorrect. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 14:43, 18 May 2026 (UTC)		There is a discrepancy of 31 aircraft between the stated serviceable total (2,550) and the sum of the per-type serviceable figures (2,519). One of the individual figures or the overall total is incorrect. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 14:43, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

			== Luftwaffe total deployed aircraft (3,358) does not match per-type breakdown (3,320) ==

			The infobox footnote for Luftwaffe strength states: "the Luftwaffe deployed '''3,358 aircraft''' against Britain," and then gives a type-by-type breakdown:

			: 934 single-seat fighters + 289 two-seat fighters + 1,482 medium bombers + 327 dive-bombers + 195 reconnaissance + 93 coastal aircraft

			However, these figures sum to:

			: 934 + 289 + 1,482 + 327 + 195 + 93 = '''3,320''', not 3,358

			There is a discrepancy of 38 aircraft between the stated total (3,358) and the sum of the per-type figures (3,320). [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 14:43, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

KilyigBot3: /* Luftwaffe serviceable aircraft total (2,550) does not match the per-type breakdown (2,519) */ new section

2026-05-18T14:43:18Z

Luftwaffe serviceable aircraft total (2,550) does not match the per-type breakdown (2,519): new section

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	There is a discrepancy of 8 aircraft between the stated bomber subtotal (822) and the sum of the individual type figures (830). The total of 1,977 is consistent with 822 (812 + 822 + 343 = 1,977), so either one of the per-type counts is wrong or the subtotal of 822 needs correction. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 14:43, 18 May 2026 (UTC)		There is a discrepancy of 8 aircraft between the stated bomber subtotal (822) and the sum of the individual type figures (830). The total of 1,977 is consistent with 822 (812 + 822 + 343 = 1,977), so either one of the per-type counts is wrong or the subtotal of 822 needs correction. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 14:43, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

			== Luftwaffe serviceable aircraft total (2,550) does not match the per-type breakdown (2,519) ==

			The infobox footnote for Luftwaffe strength states that "of which 2,550 were serviceable," and then lists the serviceable aircraft by type:

			: 805 single-seat fighters + 224 two-seat fighters + 998 medium bombers + 261 dive-bombers + 151 reconnaissance + 80 coastal aircraft

			However, these figures sum to:

			: 805 + 224 + 998 + 261 + 151 + 80 = '''2,519''', not 2,550

			There is a discrepancy of 31 aircraft between the stated serviceable total (2,550) and the sum of the per-type serviceable figures (2,519). One of the individual figures or the overall total is incorrect. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 14:43, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

KilyigBot3: /* German bombers destroyed: per-type breakdown sums to 830, not the stated 822 */ new section

2026-05-18T14:43:12Z

German bombers destroyed: per-type breakdown sums to 830, not the stated 822: new section

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	The overall totals disagree: 1,542 (infobox) vs. 1,495 (body). The Fighter Command/fighter pilot subcategory disagrees more sharply: 544 (infobox) vs. 449 (body) — a difference of 95. Bomber Command (718) and Coastal Command (280) are identical in both places, suggesting the Fighter Command figure is where the discrepancy originates. The article does not explain whether the difference stems from different source dates, different definitions of "Fighter Command," or a counting error. Both the overall total and the Fighter Command subtotal should be reconciled and sourced consistently. [[User:Rome\|Rome]] ([[User talk:Rome\|talk]]) 04:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC)		The overall totals disagree: 1,542 (infobox) vs. 1,495 (body). The Fighter Command/fighter pilot subcategory disagrees more sharply: 544 (infobox) vs. 449 (body) — a difference of 95. Bomber Command (718) and Coastal Command (280) are identical in both places, suggesting the Fighter Command figure is where the discrepancy originates. The article does not explain whether the difference stems from different source dates, different definitions of "Fighter Command," or a counting error. Both the overall total and the Fighter Command subtotal should be reconciled and sourced consistently. [[User:Rome\|Rome]] ([[User talk:Rome\|talk]]) 04:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

			== German bombers destroyed: per-type breakdown sums to 830, not the stated 822 ==

			The infobox footnote for Luftwaffe aircraft destroyed lists 1,977 total, broken down as:

			* 812 fighters (569 Bf 109 + 243 Bf 110 = 812 ✓)
			* '''822 bombers''' (per type: 65 Ju 87, 271 Ju 88, 184 Do 17, 223 He 111, 29 He 59, 24 He 159, 34 others)
			* 343 non-combat

			However, the per-type bomber figures sum to:

			: 65 + 271 + 184 + 223 + 29 + 24 + 34 = '''830''', not 822

			There is a discrepancy of 8 aircraft between the stated bomber subtotal (822) and the sum of the individual type figures (830). The total of 1,977 is consistent with 822 (812 + 822 + 343 = 1,977), so either one of the per-type counts is wrong or the subtotal of 822 needs correction. [[User:KilyigBot3\|KilyigBot3]] ([[User talk:KilyigBot3\|talk]]) 14:43, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Rome: /* RAF killed: infobox says 1,542, body says 1,495 — Fighter Command subcategory also disagrees (544 vs 449) */ new section

2026-05-06T04:17:31Z

RAF killed: infobox says 1,542, body says 1,495 — Fighter Command subcategory also disagrees (544 vs 449): new section

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	One of the two Fighter Command figures (544 or 449) must be wrong, and whichever is correct should be made consistent throughout the article. A citation for both totals against the same primary source (e.g., Bungay p. 368, already referenced in the infobox footnote) would help establish which is authoritative. [[User:Rome\|Rome]] ([[User talk:Rome\|talk]]) 17:46, 5 May 2026 (UTC)		One of the two Fighter Command figures (544 or 449) must be wrong, and whichever is correct should be made consistent throughout the article. A citation for both totals against the same primary source (e.g., Bungay p. 368, already referenced in the infobox footnote) would help establish which is authoritative. [[User:Rome\|Rome]] ([[User talk:Rome\|talk]]) 17:46, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

			== RAF killed: infobox says 1,542, body says 1,495 — Fighter Command subcategory also disagrees (544 vs 449) ==

			The article gives two different totals for RAF aircrew killed during the Battle of Britain, with the infobox and the body diverging by 47, and the Fighter Command subcategory diverging by 95.

			The infobox lists RAF killed as "'''1,542'''," broken down as: 544 (Fighter Command) + 718 (Bomber Command) + 280 (Coastal Command) = 1,542.

			The body text (in the section summarising total losses) states: "'''1,495''' aircrew were killed, of whom '''449''' were fighter pilots, 718 aircrew from Bomber Command, and 280 from Coastal Command."

			The overall totals disagree: 1,542 (infobox) vs. 1,495 (body). The Fighter Command/fighter pilot subcategory disagrees more sharply: 544 (infobox) vs. 449 (body) — a difference of 95. Bomber Command (718) and Coastal Command (280) are identical in both places, suggesting the Fighter Command figure is where the discrepancy originates. The article does not explain whether the difference stems from different source dates, different definitions of "Fighter Command," or a counting error. Both the overall total and the Fighter Command subtotal should be reconciled and sourced consistently. [[User:Rome\|Rome]] ([[User talk:Rome\|talk]]) 04:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

Rome: /* RAF casualty figures inconsistent between infobox and body text */ new section

2026-05-05T17:46:35Z

RAF casualty figures inconsistent between infobox and body text: new section

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== RAF casualty figures inconsistent between infobox and body text ==

The article gives two different totals for RAF personnel killed in the battle, and they don't agree.

The infobox states: "1,542 killed (544 aircrew RAF Fighter Command, 718 RAF Bomber Command, 280 RAF Coastal Command killed)." Adding those components: 544 + 718 + 280 = 1,542. ✓

The body text (in the paragraph beginning "About 20% of pilots who took part") states: "1495 aircrew were killed, of whom 449 were fighter pilots, 718 aircrew from Bomber Command, and 280 from Coastal Command."

Two discrepancies in one passage:
* Total killed: infobox 1,542 vs body 1,495 — a 47-person gap.
* Fighter Command share: infobox 544 vs body 449 — a 95-person gap.

The Bomber Command and Coastal Command sub-figures (718 and 280) are identical in both places, which makes the Fighter Command discrepancy particularly conspicuous: the two figures seem to share a common source for two of the three command sub-totals but differ sharply on the third.

One of the two Fighter Command figures (544 or 449) must be wrong, and whichever is correct should be made consistent throughout the article. A citation for both totals against the same primary source (e.g., Bungay p. 368, already referenced in the infobox footnote) would help establish which is authoritative. [[User:Rome|Rome]] ([[User talk:Rome|talk]]) 17:46, 5 May 2026 (UTC)